This site is dedicated to the restoration and preservation of 1960's and '70's Musclecars. I will answer any and all questions about what is original, and what are "Period Correct" modifications. I will also post my personal opinion about what is and is not proper. People are encouraged to debate me or share their own opinions or experiences.
Thursday, February 14, 2013
More advice for 1st time restorers.......
Had some requests for more advice for first-timers, but it's relevant even if your doing your 50th car. #1. Don't waste money on something weird. Some cars are not unique or collectible, their just weird, and not worth anything. This includes two-speed automatics, three-speed sticks, column-shifted bucket seat cars, four-speed bench seat cars, two-barrel step-down engines, cars with no power steering or power brakes, and radio or heater-delete cars. There's probably a few things I missed, but you get the Idea. I previously spoke about my friend who owned the import car parts store that said "A rare turd is still just a turd." Wiser words were never spoken. I mean do you really, really want a '65 Corvette with a Powerglide? Or a '68 Olds 442 or Pontiac GTO "Turnpike Special" with a 265 hp two-barrel 400 V8, an automatic and 2.56:1 gears that can't outrun a V6 Honda Accord sedan in a drag race? I mean its rare, right? I saw an article in High-Performance Pontiac magazine. A guy had a 1972 Trans-Am with a 455HO / TH400 powertrain. It had no console and the automatic shifter was on the column. He boasted that it was the only Trans-Am in existence that didn't have the automatic shifter on the console. ( Apparently the console was an option in the early years.) Ok. Does that make it worth more than a numbers-matching SD455 '73 model with a console? After all their are 252 1973 SD 455s documented, yet this '72 is one of one. See what I'm saying? Just being rare and / or weird doesn't make it cool or valuable. # 2. A car with a premium option is only worth extra if it still has the premium option. Good examples would be a 440 Six Pack Road Runner that had a non-original 440 with a 4 bbl on it. Even if you didn't feel like chasing down a 1969 vintage block, a complete Six-Pack setup from Mopar Perfromance costs about $2,500!!. A similar thing would be a 1965 Pontiac GTO that the serial number says is a tri-power 389, but it's got an Edelbrock P4B manifold of indeterminate age and a Carter AFB on it. You check the block and heads and find out it's got a 400 out of a '74 Gran Prix. A complete Pontiac tri-power setup easily brings $1,500 at a swap meet. And try to find a 389 Pontiac engine with 1964 or 65 date codes. Another would be a '73-76 Olds 442 or Chevelle Laguna that DOESN'T have the swivel bucket seats, or a 1969-70 Mustang Mach 1 that doesn't have the "Shaker" hood, even though the Marti report says it should. These aren't insurmountable issues, but I certainly wouldn't pay top dollar for a say-a Six-Pack Super Bee that didn't have three Holley two-barrels on top of the engine! # 3. Lower your sights a little. Sometimes a less-than-top-of-the-line model can be a better deal. I know a guy that passed up a nice 400, 4-speed, T-Top equipped 1978 Firebird Formula for $3700, and paid $6995 for a 403 Olds, automatic hardtop '79 Trans Am. When I pointed out that I though the Formula was a better deal both from a performance standpoint and investment value-he sneered-"A T/A is ALWAYS worth more than a Formula." "Really?" I replied. "A '74 T/A with an L78 400 and an automatic is woth more than a '74 SD-455, 4-speed Formula?" A non-Turbo 301 Automatic 1980 T/A is worth more than a 400, 4-speed, 4-wheel disc braked, WS6 suspensioned '79 Formula?" "I wasn't aware of that." He muttered some profanities and stomped off. Here's what I'm saying-a pristine, fully restored 351W '69 Mach 1 for 25 grand is better deal than a rough, not running Boss 302 that needs another 30 grand worth of work. A nice SS396 Chevelle will give you a lot of joy for about 1/3 of what an LS6 model in the same condition would cost. # 4. Shop around. Sometimes the real deal or a premium model is a better deal. At the last Hot August Nights auction I was at some idiot paid $32,000 for a 1970 Challenger T/A that the seller admitted was a clone, and had a 360 crate motor under the hood. At the same auction, the same day, a smarter guy bought a numbers-matching "real" 340 / Six-Pack '70 Challenger T/A in almost the same condition for $24,000!!! Huh? the real deal was 8 grand LESS than a clone??!! Happens more often than you think. #5. Get over serial numbers and model names and recognize a screamin' deal when you see one. I know a guy that passed up an immaculate,1971 400, 4-speed, LeMans Sport CONVERTIBLE because "It's still not a GTO." Another Idiot passed up a 1966 Mustang GT with the 225 hp 289, factory a/c, factory front disc brakes, the rally pac guages, the "Pony" interior and the original "California Megaphone exhaust with date coded mufflers intact, ( for $2,500!! ) because it was a coupe and he wanted a fastback!! I wanted to slap him. In fact-I'm not even a Ford guy and I bought the damn thing and sold it for a tidy profit a couple months later. Like Forrest Gump said- "Stupid is as stupid does." Don't be that guy. Mastermind
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