This site is dedicated to the restoration and preservation of 1960's and '70's Musclecars. I will answer any and all questions about what is original, and what are "Period Correct" modifications. I will also post my personal opinion about what is and is not proper. People are encouraged to debate me or share their own opinions or experiences.
Sunday, June 18, 2017
"Day Two" options add value as well.....
In the last post I talked about how adding a Tri-Power setup to a '60s GTO or a Six-Pack setup to a Mopar would add to a cars value, not hurt it. We also discussed how changing from Rally II wheels to Snowflakes won't change the value of your '70's T/A and so forth. When I was young all my friends drove musclecars and not one of them was bone-stock. They all had aftermarket wheels, Hurst or B&M shfiters,a Sun Tach on the steering column, headers, traction bars, etc. As gearheads we were always looking for ways to increase the car's performance or it's "Cool" factor. And that hasn't changed over the years. If you bought a new Mustang or Challenger or Camaro right now, would you leave it bone-stock for the next 20 years? No-chances are you'd add a K&N air filter, a Flowmaster Cat-Back exhaust system, a Hurst shifter, and maybe some aftermarket wheels. More adventurous sorts might even add an Edelbrock or Magnussen blower. And once it was out of warranty-if it blew a radiator hose on a Friday night-would you park the car and wait until Monday and go to the dealer to get a genuine Ford or GM or Chrysler hose, or would you go to Autozone and get a Gates or Dayco replacement and be able to drive the car all weekend? I saw a couple of great examples this past weekend. One was a '67 Camaro that had a warmed-over 327 and a 4-speed. It had headers on it and a Holley 650 Double-Pumper on an Edelbrock intake. The owner told me it also had a Comp Cams solid-lifter cam. The interior was clean and stock, except for two things to snap you right back into a banzai mode: a huge Auto Meter tach on the steering column and a T-handled Hurst Compettion Plus shifter protruding from the console. It also had Competition Engineering traction bars. This was exactly the kind of hot rod that millions of people had in the '70's and '80's and that magazines used to feature. Stuff the average guy could build in his driveway not the megabuck one-off stuff they feature now. The other one was a '68 Dodge Coronet R/T. It had a 440 with headers on it and a two 625 cfm Carter AFBs on an Edelbrock dual-quad intake. It had a 4-speed and the owner had installed a "Pistol Grip" Hurst shifter. It had Lakewood traction bars on it and Cragar S/S mags with skinny front tires and big meats on the rear. The owner said at full-throttle the intake roar of the AFBs was louder than the exhaust, that it sounded sweeter than the "Bullitt" or "Vanishing Point" soundtrack. I believe him-my Judge had two AFBs on an Offenhsuser intake and that sound is awesome. Both these guys had nailed the quintessential '70's street machine-a car that looks and performs better way than stock, but can still be driven to work every day. Now some people are going to rail that these guys "ruined" these cars with their modifications. How did they "ruin" anything? 1st off-the cars were a 327 Camaro and a two-door Dodge Coronet that originally had a 383 in it. One of many thousands. Not one of the 602 '67 Z/28s ever built or a Hemi Super Bee. And even if it was one of those, what did they do that's irreversible damage? Headers and an aftermarket intake are easy mods that almost everyone did to their cars in the '70's and '80's. If someone wanted it stock, it wouldn't take much to put stock intake and exhaust manifolds back on. Traction bars bolt onto leaf springs and can be easily unbolted. You think an aftermarket tach hose-clamped to the steering column is ugly? Unscrew it. It's not like they took a Judge convertible or a Boss 302 and cut up the trunk for wheel tubs and 4-link rear, and cut up the hood to clear a tunnel ram because they wanted a "Pro Street" look!! I've said it before and I'll say it again here- '69 Z/28 Camaro with a LS3 / 4L80E powertrain, rack and pinion steering, and 20 inch Center Lines is an aberration and it's owner / builder should be dragged out into the street and shot. A '69 Z/28 with a 750 Holley Double Pumper on an Edelbrock Tarantula manifold and headers on the 302, with traction bars and 15 inch Cragar S/S mags is just as "Right" now as it was in 1971. I have no problem with modifications as long as their period correct. Like I've said before-if you were a gun collector you wouldn't buy a WWII vintage Colt .45 and put laser sights on it! If it you were a motorcycle enthusiast you wouldn't buy a 1965 650 Triumph Bonneville and put the fuel-injected 1200cc engine out of a 2016 model in it!! So next time your at a "Show&Shine" and you see a Firebird with a Hurst Dual / Gate shifter protruding from the console or a 'Vette with chrome sidepipes on it, smile instead of screwing up your face like you just smelled a rank beer fart. Mastermind
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I was 18 in 1969 so I lived and drove through the tail end of the Muscle Car Era. And yes most who drove them modified them. Why not? They were just cars. They had no special value as collector cars. That wouldn't happen until decades later. Today of course things have changed. Original, low mileage and survivor non-modified cars are bring large dollars at auction. Sometime HUGE dollars like the 1967 L71 427 Corvette that sold last month at Mecum. It had just 8,500 miles on it. Everything was original including the air in the tires! It sold for $675,000.
ReplyDeleteWhen you buy a car like a Camaro or a Firebird or Belvedere etc you should assess it's value before you spend one penny on it. Is it a collector car? If not then do what you want with it. Just don't expect to get your money back when it comes time to sell it. You spent the $10,000 modifying it to make the car into something you will enjoy driving.
And for anyone who decides to modify their car for more power . . . for Christ's sake . . . don't forget about the brakes which unfortunately Mastermind doesn't spend enough time talking about. Adding 100 or 150 HP to a car that has drum brakes is suicide especially GM 1960s cars that had the smallest drum brakes in the industry: 9.5". At least add power front disc brakes.
I agree with you for the most part. My brother has a '69 GTO,one of 72,225 built that year. It's a base model,not a Judge or a Ram Air III or Ram Air IV. When he bought it for $600 way back in 1989 it had an unoriginal 350 in it. Now it has a 400 out of a '74 Gran Prix with ported 6x heads,and Edelbrock Torker II intake and matching cam,headers and an MSD HEI ignition. It cost $1,900 to build and dyno'd at 381 hp and 430 lbs of torque. Not bad for a "Junkyard Jewel". Should he continue to have fun driving and drag-racing this car or should he spend umpteen thousands trying to chase down a WS or YS 400 block and "restore" it to bone-stock? I understand what your saying-I wouldn't modify a '69 Boss 302 either. But one of the 299,000 other '69 Mustangs? Maybe an SVT crate engine and some 17" Torq-Thrusts and ZR rated tires...I also agree with you on brake upgrades. I had a '71 Ventura ( Pontiac's version of the Nova ) with 4-wheel drums. After I swapped in the 400/TH350 out of my wrecked '77 T/A I had some hairy rides trying to stop that car! I eventually put the T/A spindles and front disc brakes,master cyl etc on it to make it safer. Thanks for reading and your opinion is always welcome.
DeleteGood job man, you nailed it. As long as we all temper our inputs, both in parts/mods and in social circles, we won't lose sight of the fun factor. Lets face it, NOBODY needs these things. We like what we like and that's that. Damn the fuel injection! Full shift ahead!
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