This site is dedicated to the restoration and preservation of 1960's and '70's Musclecars. I will answer any and all questions about what is original, and what are "Period Correct" modifications. I will also post my personal opinion about what is and is not proper. People are encouraged to debate me or share their own opinions or experiences.
Sunday, March 1, 2020
Bad decisions based strictly on dollar amount.....or "Equipment"......
There's a show on one of the cable channels like "House Hunters"-except the people are looking for classic muscle cars. Like "House Hunters" they follow as the people look at several cars and then make a decision. I watched a couple episodes and wanted to kick out the TV screen at the bonehead decisions these people made because they were cheap. The first guy wanted a classic '60's musclecar with a big-block V8 and a 4-speed. His budget was $35,000. They don't say if their paying cash or financing it or getting a home equity loan or how their coming by the money-they just say that's the dollar amount. The first car this guy looks at is a gorgeous 1967 Mustang Fastback with the 390 / 4-speed powertrain. It had Torq-Thrust mags and a beautiful bronze paint job and saddle interior. And it ran like a scalded cat and sounded like the soundtrack from "Bullitt". It was priced at $35,000-a screaming deal in my opinion. The 2nd car he looks at is a 1979 Trans-Am, with the 403 Olds / TH350 powertrain, that's priced at $29,000-which I think is way overpriced-if it was a WS6, 400, 4-speed model-that would be a different story-but a 403 / automatic? There the proverbial dime a dozen. Then he looks at a beautiful 1967 4-speed, SS396 Chevelle. That's priced at $45,000, but the seller said he'd negoriate a little on the price. Which car does he buy? The '79 Trans-Am!! Huh? You want a big-block '60's musclecar with a 4-speed, and you buy a 79 Firebird with the most anemic engine they offered and a slushbox!! Because it's cheaper than the other two!! Personally I'd have bought the Mustang, but the Chevelle was a deal too. The other episode had a guy who wanted a classic musclecar-but since he lived in Arizona-it had to have factory A/C. His budget was $45,000. The first car he looks at is a pretty blue 1971 Road Runner. It was nicely restored, but it was a 383 / Torqueflite model with bench seats and a column shifter, and no A/C-your base model. It was priced at $40,000. The 2nd car is a gorgeous 1969 Firebird Convertible that had the 400 / TH400 powertrain, the hood tach, power windows, factory A/C, bucket seats and console, tilt wheel, power driver's seat, everything. It was priced at $45,000. The third one-I cringed at-it was a 1970 Dodge Coronet Wagon that some clown had done up like a Super Bee. It did have a strong 440 in it. But it was priced at $40,000. If he bought that, I would have kicked out the screen. The guy buys the Road Runner, because it was $5,000 less than the Firebird!! I'd have tried to negotiate with the owner on the price of the Firebird. And even if he wouldn't budge-if you've got 40K, you can get 45. Or if your financing it-the difference on the monthly payment is about $8!!! So even though he said he liked the Firebird better-and it had Factory Air which was a major factor-he buys the Road Runner which DOESN'T have A/C- because it was priced a little less!!! You spent $40,000 on a car you didn't really want because it was 5 grand cheaper than the one you did?? Who does that? I look at a lot of websites and classic dealers and auctions to stay up on things. Here's a perfect example of buyer beware and really interpret the terminology. I saw two gorgeous 1969 Z/28 Camaros for sale. One had the JL8 rear disc brakes and the Cross-Ram intake with dual Holleys. It was priced at $97,000. The other one had front disc/ rear drums, and the standard 780 Holley on an LT-1 intake. It was priced at $69,000. But-and it's a HUGE "But" in my opinion-the one priced at $69,000 was MacNeish certified, and had the numbers-matching 302, an M21 4-speed, and the numbers-matching 12-bolt 3.73:1 posi rear end. And the seller had reciepts for thousands of dollars showing the professional rebuild of the engine and transmission, and restoration. The one with the Cross-ram intake had a "Date Correct" 302-which means it's not the original engine. It had an M20 Muncie 4-speed-which is incorrect-Z/28's only had M21's or M22's. It had a "Correct"-but not original 12-bolt rear with the JL8 4-wheel discs retrofitted. So cool options nothwitstanding-one guy wants $100K for a car with a non-original engine, the wrong transmission, a non original rear axle-and cool options that aren't on the cars original window sticker or build sheet. The other guy wants $70K for a car with numbers-matching everything, that's certified by the "Camaro" guru-just like a Marti report on a Ford. Which one is the better deal? Obviously the MacNeish certified one for $30K less than the very well done, but cobbled up one for $100k!!. Another seller wanted $73,000 for an SS396 / 4-speed RS / SS '69 Camaro. It was beautiful. But again-the terminology-it had a "Date Correct" 396, a "Correct" M20 4-speed, and a "Correct" 12 bolt rear. Which means not number-matching. A guy selling a nice 1970 Boss 302 Mustang wanted $79,000. Reasonable for a Boss 302. However it's "Service Replacement Block" was rebuilt by Holman-Moody. That means sometime in the past someone blew the original engine all to hell,like rods out the side of the block grenaded-and it was replaced under warranty or even customer pay by a dealer if the car was out of warranty. This happened a lot, and Concours organizations will recognize a service replacement block if you have the paperwork. But I've seen other Bosses-for the same price-with the original numbers-matching motor. You really have to watch terminology. A guy was selling a GTO built to Ram Air IV specs. It wasn't a real RAIV-and it didn't have RAIV / 455HO iron heads-it had aluminum Edelbrock heads, an NPD replica RAIV intake, round port Hooker Headers, and a Crane Blueprint RAIV cam. It was blisteringly fast-and very well done. But he was asking what people get for a "Real" RAIV for basically a clone. Like Smokey Robinson said-"You better shop around". Mastermind
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