This site is dedicated to the restoration and preservation of 1960's and '70's Musclecars. I will answer any and all questions about what is original, and what are "Period Correct" modifications. I will also post my personal opinion about what is and is not proper. People are encouraged to debate me or share their own opinions or experiences.
Tuesday, November 27, 2018
What part of "Clone" of "Faux" i.e.-"Fake" are you not grasping?
I talk to so many people who want to build clones of ultra-cool cars, who gripe that it will be too hard or expensive to do. The way their thinking-yes it would be. I'll explain. One guy wanted to do a 427 Cobra Replica. I suggested the Factory Five kits which come complete with everything but the engine and tranny for like $19,995. You can have the frame drilled to accept a small-block Chevy, a small-block Ford, or a 4.6 / 5.4 Ford mod motor at no extra charge. I suggested the easiest way would be find a rough but running '83-'95 "5.0" Mustang and get the engine and 5-speed trans. Or call Summitt and get a 345 hp 302 Ford SVT crate engine and Tremec 5-speed. For under 25K he'd have a kickass Cobra to play with. Since they only weigh about 2,300 lbs-even with a stock "5.0" powertrain they run 12s in the 1/4! No this guy wanted it close to "real" as possible. I told him the chance of finding a side-oiler 427 Ford for sale at any price would be chasing a moon rock. However all "FE" engines are externally identical and 390s were used in almost every Ford model from 1961-76. With some aluminum Edelbrock Heads and a dual-quad intake, he'd have the look, the sound and the feel. "But it wouldn't be correct". he sneered. I almost got coffee up my nose laughing. "Nothing about the car is correct." I said. "It's a replica!!" "A tribute". "You don't understand." He's right. I don't. Crazy guy # 2. wanted to clone a Yenko Camaro. Easy enough-find a '67-69 Camaro, Phoenix Graphics sells the emblems and stripes / stencils. Harwood sells the hood scoop. Go to a junkyard and get a 454 out of an '80's truck, and rebuild it. A TH400 or Muncie 4-speed is easy enough to find if you scour the want ads or swap meets. No he wants a for-real 427. "Fine". I said-"GMPP, Eagle, Lunati and other companies sell 3.76 stroke big-block Chevy crank, rod and piston kits." Get an internally balanced flywheel / flexplate and damper ( If you don't know 396 /402 /427s are internally balanced and 454s are externally balanced ) and voila'-instant 427. No he wants a 427 with 1967,68 or '69 date codes. Good luck with that-as "Vette restorers hog them with ferocity and want blood and a first-born child when they do sell one. Then he starts griping about not being able to find a date-correct 12 bolt posi rear end!! Are you kidding me? Again-I said "It's not a numbers-matching Yenko!!" "The 10-bolt that's in the car will do fine." "In 40+ years of hot-rodding GM cars I've never broken a 10-bolt, although I know people who have." "If your going to build a killer motor and really lean on it with slicks or drag radials-Currie sells 9 inch Ford rears with GM mounting points already installed." "Or Moser sells brand-new 12 bolts if you want to keep it all GM". I showed him pictures of a friend's triple-white 1971 GTO "Judge" convertible. It's actually a LeMans Sport convertible with the "Endura" ( read GTO front bumper and scooped hood ). He added a hood tach, the "Judge" stripes and spoiler and a set of "Honeycomb" wheels. Everywhere he goes people "ooh" and "aah" over this "Judge" drop-top. The 400 / TH400 powertrain moves it down the road nicely. Mr. Would-be Yenko cloner turned up his nose. "Piece of crap". he sneered. "No." I said " It's a really cool car built for a fraction of what one of the 17 for-real '71 Judge convertibles would go for." "It's built for a fraction of what your trying to do." "All 357 '71 Judge models had 455HO engines." Where would he find a complete, running 1971 date-coded 455HO 47 years later, and for what price?" "And if he did by some miracle-the car is still a gussied-up LeMans!!!" Who cares if it's "Correct??!!" A Mopar guy was absolutely aghast when I suggested a 360 for his proposed Challenger T/A clone. "It has to be a 340!" When I pointed out that 340s were only used from 1968-73 and are pretty rare and usually expensive, while 360s were used in virtually every Chrysler model and Dodge trucks from 1971-1991, and are fairly cheap, he wailed the mantra-"It wouldn't be correct". When I suggested a 360 Magnum-based 408 stroker to make it really badass-he got really pissed. "Edelbrock doesn't make a Six-Pack manifold for "Magnum" heads!! When I pointed out that a 408 inch Magnum V8 with a Performer RPM intake, 800 cfm Thunder AVS carb, and matching cam would suck up and spit out a "real" 340 Six-Pack in a drag race, I got a cloud of obsenities that the kid in Christmas Story would marvel at. I just don't get it. The car's a fake!! If you want a '68 Hemi Charger-and have the cash to lay out 15 grand for a Mopar Performance 426 crate Hemi and another 25-30 for a decent 383 Charger to stuff it in, more power to you!!! 45 grand is a lot less than the 100K plus that "real" ones bring. I get that. And I'd put a Tremec 5-speed behind that crate Hemi, rather than chase a 1968 date-coded A883 4-speed!! Does this drive anyone else bonkers? Mastermind
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